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  Schoolyard bully mentality

  by FusionTheism in

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  i'm not naming names, but i just want to encourage people on here or on reddit or twitter, and tell you that you do not have to tolerate people who act like schoolyard bullies in the way they speak to you online.

  i think anonymity is a big part of it.

  they feel like there is zero accountability so they can be a bully all they want.. i recommend just ignoring or blocking anyone who is verbally abusive or treats you like schoolyard bullies treated you.. life is way too short to spend any time dealing with those kinds of people..

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  As Witnesses we are expected to put up with elders and circuit overseers who use peer pressure and call people "weak" or "inactive" in order to get them to change and of course bully tactics have been used during judicial meetings as well.

  JWs who have been conditioned to accept this kind of behavior as acceptable come here and may be fooled into thinking that such behavior by those claiming to be more educated on all things religious is somehow okay.

  No, it is not okay. Whether a bully at the KH or a bully online...it is all the same. Make no mistake about that.

  If someone we call a "friend" is a bully that does not make his/her bullying any less despicable only more troubling.
  
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  Ignorant Atheist Talk Show Host Destroyed by Agnostic Dr. Bart Erhman! Topic "Did Jesus and Paul exist?"

  by MagicMItchJensen in

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  2. beliefs

  i want you to see how fake people are who pretend their open-minded, dr. erhman try's to reason with someone whose mind is totally made up.

  the topic is whether there was a man named jesus and paul, the infidel atheist get's owned because he shows his true colors!.

  1. when would you tell this fool he stupid or willfully ignoring the facts?.

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  Witness My Fury: This site's users have matured over the years and so the site has shifted into one that has an increasingly hard lean towards truth, evidence and a low tolerance of bullshit.

  Below is what a JW coming to this forum will read on the welcoming page-

  Are you the 'Watchtower'?
  

  No - we're an independent community site offering support for both current and former Jehovah's Witnesses and anyone else who has been affected by the beliefs, doctrines and practices of the Jehovah's Witness religion as governed by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (WTB&TS).

  We are not affiliated with the WTB&TS in any way and we take your privacy and security very seriously doing our utmost to protect your identity and provide a friendly, tolerant and informative environment where you can ask questions, share information and make new friends. Membership is completely free and anonymous so why not join today! (underlining added)

  Witness My Fury, perhaps you should ask the site owner to amend this welcome to something more in line with what you say this forum has become. Note there is nothing in that welcome which disallows, discourages or ridicules religious discussions. There is nothing in that welcome which favors atheists over believers. Neither is there anything in that welcome which demands that believers provide evidence of their beliefs.

  There is also nothing in that welcome which informs Christians of religions outside of Jehovah's Witnesses that their personal belief in God and Christ is...bullshit.
  

  Frank
  
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  My Story of Waking Up - in retrospect

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so, many of y'all know bits and pieces of my story of waking up, but i thought it might be nice to have it all in one place.. i was baptized at 11, auxiliary pioneered every summer, regular pioneer at 17, ministerial servant by 19, then went to bethel for a year.. i always had minor doubts from time to time, but nothing serious.

  always dismissed doubts and decided to "just have faith.".

  after leaving bethel, i was never really firing on all cylinders "spiritually speaking.

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  Thanks for your story, Cappytan. I feel I know you better for it.

  What a roller coaster ride we all have had!

  Frank
  
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  The Case for Theism

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.

  " ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.

  atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.

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  Thanks FusionTheism,
  

  I appreciated your effort to add something to the discussion.

  Verbally clubbing the religious to death is an avocation for some. Or perhaps you consider it jousting. ;) Either way, keep up your hard work. You have I'm sure been a comfort to some lurkers here who are likely being turned off by the vitriol expressed against God. No better way to make a JW run back to the Org. than to viciously degrade God as has been done on this forum.

  I've visited forums where atheists and believers discuss their different views without verbal punches. It is possible but it seems not here.

  Too bad really.

  Frank
  
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  There is no right and wrong

  by campaign of hate in

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  so i am a little tangled up in this train of thought, as it can go quite deep.. as a jw, albeit fully awake, we are taught that there is right and a wrong.

  smoking is wrong.

  going on the ministry is right.

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  Of course slavery is wrong but though Lincoln believed it wrong he did not think the abolition of slavery was more important than the Union.
  
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  There is no right and wrong

  by campaign of hate in

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  so i am a little tangled up in this train of thought, as it can go quite deep.. as a jw, albeit fully awake, we are taught that there is right and a wrong.

  smoking is wrong.

  going on the ministry is right.

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  Thanks for reply.
  
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  There is no right and wrong

  by campaign of hate in

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  so i am a little tangled up in this train of thought, as it can go quite deep.. as a jw, albeit fully awake, we are taught that there is right and a wrong.

  smoking is wrong.

  going on the ministry is right.

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  I believe Lincoln's letter speaks for itself. He was politically for the Union at all cost but personally against slavery. His personal belief did not change his political aim or belief.

  
  Lincoln did not wage war to save the slaves. He waged war to save the Union. It was war we were discussing not moral personal beliefs.
  
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  There is no right and wrong

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i am a little tangled up in this train of thought, as it can go quite deep.. as a jw, albeit fully awake, we are taught that there is right and a wrong.

  smoking is wrong.

  going on the ministry is right.

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  Eleanor Roosevelt I believe spearheaded the writing of that declaration but connecting that declaration to her husband's declared war on Japan is hard to do. Yes, after the fact, the declaration was good but that was after the war. Human rights before the war were not at the forefront though. American Japanese citizens were denied their human rights, American black soldiers (according to white veterans my father knew) were treated at times less honorably than captured German soldiers.

  Look, I'm not interested in criticizing governments. I'm just trying to point out that governments must act to preserve themselves. This is the way it is, the way it must be. How many Americans would support a war that might cost thousands of American lives just to give the people of a small African country potable water? But if that small African country has precious ore important to national security, or other political concerns, then let the war begin and give the people clean water as well.

  Truly, there is nothing wrong with that because governments exist to maintain themselves and their people's interests.

  Political=Government
  
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  There is no right and wrong

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i am a little tangled up in this train of thought, as it can go quite deep.. as a jw, albeit fully awake, we are taught that there is right and a wrong.

  smoking is wrong.

  going on the ministry is right.

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  Jonathan Drake,

  Lincoln's letter was the letter of a national leader, the President of the United States. As President his main concern was the preservation of the Union. Though he personally believed in freedom he nonetheless would have set none of the slaves free if it meant the Union would be preserved.

  Lincoln's "own wishes" did NOT override his desire to keep the Union intact. His letter is a fine example of pragmatism which at times must trump personal belief. He was not a priest he was a politician, a President. His priority was the United States of America and its interests. He fulfilled his commission as President, he held the nation together.

  Frank
  
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  There is no right and wrong

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i am a little tangled up in this train of thought, as it can go quite deep.. as a jw, albeit fully awake, we are taught that there is right and a wrong.

  smoking is wrong.

  going on the ministry is right.

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  The concern of World War II as another example was moral in nature, not politcal. Whole nations spent their money and other assets fighting Nazism, and did so expecting to gain nothing but the end of the oppression of Hitler and his regime.

  This is a nice idea but it does not support the reality that the powers which primarily fought off the Nazis did not jump into the war at first blush when other weaker nations were falling. They jumped in when it became necessary to jump in.

  Britain and the U.S. did a "good" thing in fighting off the Nazis but they did not do it for "moral" reasons. We knew about the persecution of the Jews but refused to accept Jewish refugees. This is not a condemnation on my part but the recognition that governments' first priority is to do what they believe will be of benefit to themselves as well as what they believe their citizens will tolerate or not tolerate.

  I believe the United States is one of the best countries in history but I'm a little surprised by the historical rose colored glasses here.

  Frank